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19:40 < thomas_sch> what does it mean that the firmware of the nano 3g is only partially encrypted?
19:50 < thomas_sch> it's aes-cbc so you got the iv?or what?
20:08 < TheSeven> apple uses aes128-cbc for everything
20:08 < thomas_sch> yeah since the 2g nano
20:08 < thomas_sch> before this they used rc4
20:09 < thomas_sch> I just wanted to know how something could be partiallyy decrypted?
20:09 < TheSeven> "not everything is encrypted" would probably be the better term
20:09 < thomas_sch> I mena if you don't know the key you can't decrypt it and if you know half the key you can't decrypt it 
20:09 < thomas_sch> ahh k
20:10 < TheSeven> i think there were some unencrypted bootloader binaries on phobos or something
20:10 < TheSeven> all of it is digitally signed (and thus protected against modification), but there was some plain (readable) code somewhere
20:10 < thomas_sch> yup hmm and it's not possible to dump unencrypted firmware through code execution?
20:11 < TheSeven> that should be possible
20:11 < TheSeven> and probably has already been done at least for part of it
20:11 < TheSeven> we have full access to the crypto coprocessor
20:19 < thomas_sch> can you do memory dumps?
20:20 < thomas_sch> or is the key stored in protected memory?
20:26 < TheSeven> it's a hardware AES engine with a hardware key store
20:26 < TheSeven> we can't access that
20:29 < thomas_sch> we need german government officials in the apple stuff so they next time manage the firmware maybe we get a firmware updater with aes key embedded in it 
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23:28 < thomas_sch> 
23:28 < thomas_sch> s/stuff/staff/
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