[00:24:44] what are you people doing? [00:24:53] so much activity in here [00:27:14] <[7]> having a final go at fixing umsboot [00:27:36] i am seriously wondering: are there still people using this? [00:27:45] <[7]> apparently a few [00:27:58] mostly on classic? [00:28:01] <[7]> yes [00:28:14] <[7]> and the classic's USB is STILL broken [00:28:19] <[7]> since about a year now [00:28:32] well, nobody did anything about it so… [00:28:37] <[7]> the rockbox guys apparently didn't figure it out so far [00:28:43] i mean, code doesn't just magically fix itself [00:28:52] <[7]> well, it magically broke itself... [00:29:12] well [00:29:17] <[7]> anyway, I'm currently rebuilding UMSboot based on a completely different framework [00:29:28] <[7]> the USB stack is somewhat working... [00:29:40] <[7]> it gets stuck on the first SCSI INQUIRY command right now [00:30:08] <[7]> i.e. it seems to be unable to respond to anything right now, for a still unknown reason [00:30:22] <[7]> and in this environment I currently don't have any console driver to debug it [01:38:20] Wow, talk [01:38:26] *** Dgby714_ is now known as Dgby714 [01:52:14] *** Quits: liar (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [02:03:15] *** Joins: clustur (~logger@c-68-53-250-91.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) [02:03:15] *** Quits: clustur (~logger@c-68-53-250-91.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) (Remote host closed the connection) [04:51:06] <[7]> what. the. hell. [04:51:28] <[7]> a FIFO being TOO BIG caused usb transfer lockups for transfers ABOVE a certain size. [05:04:52] * [7] loves these undocumented peculiarities of the ipod variant of that USB core [05:07:04] haha [05:36:40] is good to see activity here [06:13:34] *** Quits: bcobco (~bcobco@77.225.204.93) (Remote host closed the connection) [06:46:38] *** Quits: [7] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) (Disconnected by services) [06:46:51] *** Joins: TheSeven (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) [08:03:15] *** Joins: clustur (~logger@c-68-53-250-91.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) [08:03:15] *** Quits: clustur (~logger@c-68-53-250-91.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) (Remote host closed the connection) [09:00:24] <[Saint]> [09:27:37] i am seriously wondering: are there still people using this? [09:00:27] <[Saint]> Uhhhhh.... [09:00:49] <[Saint]> Its the ONLY way to boot Rockbox...you thought people would just stop using it? [09:00:54] <[Saint]> I'm confused. [09:01:24] <[Saint]> It makes me wonder why you worked on the project. [09:01:41] <[Saint]> There seems to be little faith in it sometimes. [11:18:58] [Saint]: for science. and i was talking about rockbox and mp3 players in general. they feel so redundant with smartphones nowadays but maybe that is also just me. [11:19:44] <[Saint]> They are. But, we've never targetted the public...so...? [11:20:02] <[Saint]> Rockbox has always been, and will always be, for enthusiasts. [11:20:18] well, it wasn't an accusation or anything, i was seriously wondering [11:21:14] <[Saint]> You guys exposed a *very* popular device to Rockbox...people aren't going to forget about it because you did :) [11:21:19] and as i hadn't been looking around for years now i didn't even know there were any of those enthusiasts left to begin with ;) [11:22:23] i didn't it was basically just TheSeven but apart from that you are probably right. [11:24:10] which makes me wonder what i *was* doing back then. i think it was mainly failing at dissembling EFI and writing an emcore python lib. [11:24:38] yeah, basically that was all i was doing :D [11:24:40] <[Saint]> and/or trying to get into the N4G. [11:25:02] that was the "failing at disassembling EFI" part ^^ [11:25:40] basically my nanotron found the notes exploit buffer address initially used to dump the efi but apart from that… [11:25:57] heck, there wasn't even a button driver for this thing ^^ [11:28:02] oh nanotrons. those were good times. still loving the idea and it's always a great story to tell people you got code execution on an ipod using lego mindstorms [11:28:30] we even got on hackaday! [11:28:43] <[Saint]> Indeed. :) [11:29:01] <[Saint]> When I first saw that I just stared at it for the longest time thinking "...huh" [11:29:42] <[Saint]> ...and then one day someone walked in here out of the fucking blue with a workable exploit for N3G. [11:29:51] <[Saint]> and, BAM...Classic, and no N3G :) [11:29:55] <[Saint]> Bet he was pissed. [11:30:20] wasn't that the dfu one? [11:30:39] the cert exploit thing that was basically ported from the iphone? [11:31:19] <[Saint]> I'm fuzzy on the details now, but I think so. [11:31:58] would have been planetbeing then if i am not completely mistaken [11:33:22] oh i would still like to know why apple fixed the notes bug in the n4g code with the 1.0.4 update [11:33:48] it was like in the very same timespan when the project made lots of progress [11:34:09] i really wonder if the knew about it or if it was just coincidence [11:34:11] <[Saint]> fear. I suspect. [11:34:27] <[Saint]> same reason they plugged it in the new Classic OFs. [11:34:45] <[Saint]> I have no doubt they were looking at the progress made here. [11:35:16] i'm not sure [11:36:00] i mean, after all this project has by no means ever been a publicity stunt [11:36:38] <[Saint]> No, but Apple has a vested interest in keping their ecosystem free of thirs party OSes. [11:36:43] <[Saint]> *third [11:38:36] btw they are still selling the classic even though they didn't update it for like 4 years now. [11:39:06] i mean, i understand why, it must be making enough profits to self-sustain and also it's like the last real ipod but still [11:39:25] <[Saint]> there's no way they could possibly keep us out of DFU, and they plugged the noteboot exploit. [11:39:45] <[Saint]> The only further they could go is releasing a new OF that prohibits downgrading. [11:39:46] it still has a frickin harddrive in it while they sell computers with double the capacity in flash storage ^^ [11:40:29] <[Saint]> I suspect this last model is the last "Classic" we'll see. [11:40:35] of course it will [11:40:49] <[Saint]> I think it'll just be Touch/Nano from now one. [11:40:54] i predicted them discontinuing it for years now [11:40:56] <[Saint]> ...and Pad/Phone of course. [11:41:36] sure, they won't ever update it [11:41:57] i just wonder how long they will still have it on sale. they are probably worried about the headlines though [11:42:05] "death of the ipod" etc etc :D [11:42:32] <[Saint]> I recently saw boxes and boxes and boxes of 160GB "fat" units unopened in storage. [11:42:42] <[Saint]> ...6 years old? :) [11:42:50] <[Saint]> Still selling. [11:43:18] you call that selling? [11:43:30] more like sitting in warehouses because nobody wants them then [11:45:15] <[Saint]> They were moving them forward in storage to make them easier to get to. [11:45:21] <[Saint]> ...because all the rest sold. [11:45:32] <[Saint]> Shocks me too :) [11:45:40] hmm then you must have had a huge stockpile of them [11:45:54] i mean… the old fat ones? seriously? [11:46:14] <[Saint]> I wanted to buy some, but they were still at full price. [11:46:22] hahaha [11:46:24] <[Saint]> ...the same price they were many, many years ago. [11:46:29] ridiculous [11:46:47] well, not really actually [11:47:03] if they are still producing them those harddrives must have become expensive by now [11:49:30] whatever. i think i need to go to bed. it's been four years and my sleep pattern hasn't improved a notch [11:49:44] some things just never change i guess [12:09:55] * user890104 is probably going to replace his ipod with a new one, for about 150 EUR, at the local apple reseller (they basicly recycle the old one, and give you a brand new unopened unit) [12:10:51] a brand new unit is 265 EUR! wow! [12:11:03] that's classic 3g (160 gb) [13:00:49] well I guess apple has a stockpile of a few thousand classics, selling a handful of them per month, and not producing new ones anymore. but why delist it as long as there is stock and delisting it could cause nasty headlines? [13:35:52] hm... 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