[00:24:44] <[7]> raspberry pi isn't adequate for ANYTHING [00:24:49] <[7]> just to get that out of the way [00:27:01] <[7]> really, get anything, but not a raspberry pi, that board is crap [00:27:51] <[Saint]> Note I sad Snowball. :) [00:27:54] <[Saint]> *said [00:28:10] <[7]> someone mentioned the pi above [00:28:18] <[Saint]> I also care to disagree with you, [7], but I understand you had some past issues that formed a bias. [00:28:36] <[Saint]> The raspberrypi has a place in this world. [00:28:48] <[7]> seriously, spend $5-10 more and get something sane with non-usb ethernet and a processor with an FPU [00:28:54] <[7]> not to even mention that videocore crap [00:28:55] <[Saint]> ...just not when it comes to managing any data you actually care about. [00:29:24] <[Saint]> Right. The throughput is balls. Indeed. [00:29:25] <[7]> i.e. something that at least ubuntu and debian run on [00:29:32] <[Saint]> Snowball! :) [00:29:37] <[7]> for example [00:29:47] <[7]> lots of these things out there these days [00:29:52] <[7]> but, by all means, not the pi! [00:30:04] <[Saint]> $50 USD, for a metric fucktonne of added goodies. [00:30:08] oooh. pi has no FPU? ick. [00:30:42] <[Saint]> GPS, BT 4, B/G/N wireless, actual ethernet, more sensors than you can shake a stick at... [00:30:59] <[Saint]> I really cannot stop raving about how good it is for cost vs. offerings. [00:31:19] <[Saint]> (mind you, that's only because it flopped and now they're offloading them at 1/6th the asking price) [00:31:59] <[Saint]> Cost vs. gain, there really isn't a more competitive development board out there. [00:32:01] snowball is discontinued? looks like a hell of a product for $50 [00:32:20] <[Saint]> I bought one on a whim. [00:32:33] <[Saint]> And then went "holy motherfucking balls, these are great" and got two more. [00:32:59] but discontinued? shit... I can't imagine there's much out there for anywhere near that price [00:33:08] <[Saint]> Nice RAM and embedded NAND storage are a huge plus, too. [00:33:21] <[Saint]> Support is discontinued, yes. [00:33:34] but part is still in production? [00:33:41] <[Saint]> But there's still a reasonably large community, and STE still has thousands of them to get rid of. [00:34:05] <[Saint]> They are no longer in production, no. Not for ages. [00:34:13] good... it's a really a shame when truly awesome hardware gets ignored and community evaporates [00:34:38] <[Saint]> But they never sold. ANd there's quite literally thousands left. Not counting the ones they need to keep on standby for RMA/warranty recall, etc. [00:35:09] <[Saint]> khmann: At the time it was launched, no one knew why they would want one except for the few people already in that field. [00:35:24] <[Saint]> And those who did want one weren't willing to pay $300 USD for it. [00:35:52] <[Saint]> Add the raspberrypi and beagle* boom to the mix, and all of a sudden people want ARM dev boards. [00:36:15] <[Saint]> But SDE would look like a bunch of assholes suddenly putting the price back up based on demand, so they didn't. [00:36:18] <[Saint]> *STE [00:39:32] mmm $300 does seem a more "correct" price, hobbiest communities take time to incubate... Ha! that board is funny. HDMI, wired ethernet, and an accelerometer! Jack of all trades! perfect for the car [00:40:38] <[Saint]> And a magmometer, and a barometer, and a light sensor, and several thermometers (CPU, RAM, and ambient IIRC) [00:40:46] <[Saint]> It really is a multi-purpose board. [00:41:14] <[Saint]> Adding all those sensors on to, say, the Beagle Bone Black, for instance, would cost somewhere inthe order of $400 [00:41:44] gps alone is half the cost [00:42:45] <[Saint]> Not to mention you would probably wipe out all your immediately available GPIO pins, and have a cthulu-esque mess of wires and shit hanging off the thing. :) [00:43:10] <[Saint]> Having all this in a 8.5x8.5cm square board is almost too good to be true. [00:44:39] <[Saint]> You could add a touchscreen and a camera, plug in a USB LTE modem and make an "open" Android handset. :P [00:44:52] <[Saint]> (Did I mention it runs Android?) [00:47:38] <[Saint]> I use one for a streaming media server, IRC quassel core, file server, and anonymizing wireless AP. [00:48:18] <[Saint]> GPS and accelerometer are very important for this, of course. So I know that my file server is still where I left it, and pointing the right way up. :P [00:55:04] <[7]> olinuxino-a20 for like $70 is also fairly nice, even though it can't quite compete with the snowball [00:56:15] <[7]> [Saint]: did it ever send you an email saying "ouch, please come help me, I fell off that cupboard"? :D [00:56:47] <[Saint]> I seriously considered getting it to send me a tweet if it moved. :) [00:57:26] * [7] once got an email that the power went out [00:59:02] <[7]> apparently the charge left in some capacitors was sufficient for that email to be generated, travel through the mail server, and send a push notification to my phone, before the capacitors were empty [00:59:49] <[7]> apparently my phone downloaded it during those few milliseconds [01:11:22] <[Saint]> What device? [01:12:10] <[Saint]> It took a bunch of fat caps just to be able to detect poweroff and force a hard shutdown on my raspberrypi. [01:12:29] <[Saint]> I wouldn't even try to touch the filesystem at all for anything else during that time. [01:45:12] *** Quits: [Saint] (~saint@rockbox/staff/saint) (Remote host closed the connection) [01:47:16] *** Joins: [Saint] (~saint@rockbox/staff/saint) [02:08:58] *** Joins: clustur (~logger@c-68-53-250-91.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) [02:08:58] *** Quits: clustur (~logger@c-68-53-250-91.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) (Remote host closed the connection) [03:24:12] built this: https://github.com/EliasOenal/TNT , getting stuck on compiling all over the place with "make: *** No rule to make target `../../.svn/entries', needed by `build/version.h'. Stop."s Maybe I should have checked the code out with subversion instead of git? [03:24:54] that is to say, toolchain successfully installed I think, but problems to build the freemyipod clone. still working on it... [03:25:58] nm I'm an idiot. 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