[00:06:18] i'll work on some of the rest TODO items then [00:54:21] *** Quits: TheSeven (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [00:55:55] *** Joins: TheSeven (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) [01:27:01] *** Joins: Kebianizao (~kvirc@99.1.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) [01:31:20] *** Quits: TheSeven (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [01:33:07] *** Joins: TheSeven (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) [01:44:51] *** Quits: TheSeven (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [01:47:16] *** Joins: TheSeven (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) [04:33:49] *** Quits: APLU (~mulx@2a01:e34:ee29:12b0::10) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [04:38:09] *** Joins: APLU (~mulx@2a01:e34:ee29:12b0::10) [04:58:30] *** Quits: Kebianizao (~kvirc@99.1.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) (Quit: Estaba usando KVIrc KVIrc Equilibrium 4.2.0, revision: 420, sources date: 20120701, built on: 2013-08-29 10:52:41 UTC 420 http://www.kvirc.net/) [06:27:12] *** Quits: TheSeven (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [06:29:30] *** Joins: TheSeven (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) [06:35:31] *** Quits: steffengy (~quassel@p57B48DC7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Disconnected by services) [06:35:32] *** Joins: steffengy1 (~quassel@p57B486DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) [09:39:15] *** Joins: shdwprince (~sp@130.185.58.161) [10:00:11] TheSeven: I'm the one who asked you 'bout compilation of your usb patch [10:00:11] TheSeven: where I can get a compiler, that actually can compile that? [10:00:43] I got pretty bored of USB problems, because looks like I'm suffering not only for software problems, but for different kind of problems (encorefs fails too after few requests, fallback image too). Maybe you'r patch ease my life a bit. [10:45:19] shdwprince: in that case you might want to try apple's disk mode... [10:45:47] won't be easy to set up though, this is all bleeding edge stuff that isn't fully integrated yet [10:48:42] Someone said 'bout corruption, that can be done by disk mode? [10:49:03] by emcore disk mode, yes [10:49:11] that's just very new and likely buggy code [10:49:45] anyway, here's a patch that should make my patch work with the rockbox compiler: http://pastie.org/9317612 [10:50:46] There is article about that disk mode on freemyipod's wiki? Or where I can get information? [10:51:55] I'll check the patch to the patch for shure, but disk mode is an intresting subject to interest. [10:54:00] there are two things called disk mode [10:54:38] apple's disk mode can usually be reached by the menu+select => select+play button combination on ipods with stock firmware [10:55:24] because that isn't available when emcore is installed, we added a similar feature to emcore very recently. this is integrated in the latest SVN builds, but not released yet. it's also very new code any likely buggy, and we've seen it cause data corruption [10:55:58] Oh, I see. [10:56:23] however we recently managed to get dualboot working, which will allow us to boot apple's original disk mode, which should be rock solid. this can be done already, but hasn't been integrated into the installation process and boot menu yet, not even in SVN [10:56:57] so if you want to use that, you have to extract it from a factory flash image of your ipod, decrypt it, and then run it via emcore's runfirmware command [10:57:10] Looks like a good piece of work. [10:57:48] Hope you'll develop it to release state and, actually, release it. [10:58:27] we're also working on a completely different approach, which finally gets users rid of emcore altogether [10:58:49] i.e. using a native rockbox bootloader [10:59:44] But why the rockbox team not working on it by themself? [11:00:17] because not many people know the internals of these ipods [11:00:23] and those people are basically the freemyipod team [11:01:00] So, you is a sort of rockbox team, but focused on iPod's? [11:01:10] *you are [11:01:26] kind of, yes [11:01:59] Nice. [11:03:06] I'll try to apply that patch, but if I fail again I'll wait for you to release something less painfull. [11:03:33] I guess what you're seeing is a combination of different problems [11:03:48] Anyway, I still have enough fun with modifying the rockbox firmware by myself. [11:03:58] probably residual file system corruption, initially caused by a USB bug somewhere, but now spreading out by itself [11:04:24] It should be boring to copy that 100GB again. [11:04:42] I'd do that overnight, with apple's disk mode ;) [11:05:50] And I damn love portable devices with opensource and welcome to modifying firmwares, always wanted that kind of device. [11:06:45] apple didn't make that easy ;) [11:06:54] Oh, don't incite me.. Lotta work to deal with... :) [11:07:28] Yeah, its kinda strange that apple devices actually have an opensource alternative firmware [11:07:33] actually I'm not sure if we could have done this without the help of the iphone jailbreaking crew [11:08:21] while we cracked the nano2g ourselves back in the old days, the classic's firmware security model was quite a bit more elaborate [11:09:00] it has an unpatchable bug which allows execution of arbitrary code in DFU mode though, which was originally discovered (and used for a jailbreak) on one of the early iphones [11:09:09] All those tons of work of revers-engineering, its all because iPod's actually a good piece of device, but with too apple-like firmware? [11:09:33] so we were basically able to reuse an iphone exploit to get rid of apple's security crap once and for all [11:09:43] basically yes [11:10:02] back when I got my nano2g that was the only reasonable mp3 player on the market [11:10:32] everything else didn't even support most basic things such as browsing through menus or your collection while continuing to play audio [11:10:52] Yeah, I read about exploits on your's wiki. There was things that looks strange. [11:11:03] and the usability was absolutely great because of the clickwheel, compared to flimsy little buttons and laggy firmware on most other devices [11:12:03] I was a little suprised when discovered, that rockbox didn't use the clickwheel in a proper way. I mean, with the original firmware you can change tracks and playpause even while you in a menu. [11:12:04] having to use itunes for everything, not being able to manage files on the ipod itself, and having to mess with various itunesdb tools on linux (besides generally wanting to tinker with things) pulled me in here :) [11:12:48] So I modify a rockbox to bring back the original keymap. Works like a charm. [11:12:49] yes, with rockbox you need two clicks for things that can be done with one click in the apple firmware, and vice versa [11:13:08] I don't think you can easily change volume while browsing menus in the apple firmware [11:13:15] for rockbox that's one click + wheel rotation [11:13:31] it's just a different UI concept [11:13:43] The concept feels very similar. [11:14:02] And >> key duplicate select [11:14:10] Play duplicate Menu [11:14:17] That the thing I don't like [11:14:33] play should in most screens go straight to the WPS [11:14:44] menu should go straight to the main menu [11:14:55] back goes back [11:15:14] In my case play bring me into main menu, and in the main menu play brings me to the wps. [11:15:15] so to access the apple mappings, you basically have to press play first to go to the WPS [11:15:55] I have long play to go to wps, and menu for cancel. [11:16:05] And very long play to poweroff [11:16:55] And the thing about controlling the volume while in menus, looks like I skipped it when I was reading the manuals :) [11:17:59] As I said it before, I damn love opensource firmware on devices, which I use everyday. [11:18:42] That's the reason I use linux, and becouse of freemyipod team I can have that kind of software on my mediaplayer. [11:18:54] Thank you very much :) [11:30:22] The only thing I feel bad about is that DAP's are becoming not very popular because people prefer just to do all the entertainment things on the smartphone. [11:31:00] That's not the way I like, but I'm not the only one. [11:33:04] * TheSeven must admit that he hasn't actually used rockbox to play audio for years now [11:34:49] I've used android phone for about a year, but its not a good thing to me to mix a mobile phone, player and something else with only one battery for all. [11:36:44] So I bought old non-smartphone sony ericsson for, actually, telephony, that last for days and can live an evening when almost fully discharged, and a DAP, that I'm not aware of discharging at all. [11:37:51] heh, my phone's battery just lasts throughout the day, and I always have a battery pack with me in case it doesn't (but I've very rarely used it since I bought this phone) [11:39:03] the thing is that I need a smartphone for a lot of different things anyway (such as answering emails etc., remotely fixing things while I'm on a train, etc.) [11:39:20] so that already rules out the old bar style kind of phone [11:39:31] Its a strange thing to develop an DAP while not actually using it. [11:39:39] and if I have a smartphone with me anyway, why carry around a DAP? ;) [11:40:00] I'd have to maintain a music collection on it, while I can otherwise just stream everything from the internet [11:40:14] when I began to develop this when I was still using it [11:40:18] back in 2007/2008 [11:40:26] and have been maintaining it since [11:40:42] Oh, for that kind of causes I always have an notebook in my carrying-all-the-time backpack with 10" lcd and battery, that lasts for 6 hours. [11:40:48] adding ipod classic support around 2010 because we finally figured out how to run code and there was a huge demand for it [11:41:28] (and someone donated one of those to me, so I just *had* to play around with it ;) ) [11:42:45] Ha-ha, its a quite cool. [11:43:46] * user890104 is currently using a dumb-phone for calls, ipod classic for music and a nexus 7 for everything else, together with 2 portable wifi routers (one is 3G, other is WiMax) [11:49:45] my linux notebook can beat your tablet with ease :) [12:02:55] *** Quits: shdwprince (~sp@130.185.58.161) (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3) [12:38:41] * TheSeven usually carries a thinkpad yoga with him these days [12:38:59] and a galaxy note 3 [12:39:03] ideal combination of devices :) [17:27:42] *** Joins: shdwprince (~sp@93.180.202.206) [17:32:59] *** Quits: TheSeven (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [17:34:38] *** Joins: TheSeven (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) [17:42:08] Huh, finally managed to try compile and run that USB patch. Looks like it fixes nothing for me, instead it makes my iPod totally unreacheble from PC. [17:42:56] Or I have an broken HDD, or it was parted wrong when I install emcore, or I dunno. [17:43:23] I'll wait for dualboot or whatever. 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