[00:41:53] orpheu: which rockbox version are you using for transfer? The Rb icon in emcore's menu, or the fallback image in Tools? [00:42:09] please use the second one for transfers, if you aren't [00:42:22] last one avaliable [00:43:09] rockbox icon [00:50:31] user890104: why should i use the fallback image? the ipod is a gift i didnt want to have to teach all this to the person :/ [01:26:15] orpheu: it has better usb transfer performance since it uses an older and more stable usb driver [01:27:33] oh, ok, but the normal one, doest corrupt the files like the disk mode right? [01:30:04] yes, but it hangs sometimes [01:30:41] emcore disk mode does some write caching, which sometimes breaks things [01:31:02] emcore disk mode is way faster tho [01:31:16] 20mb's its sad that its broken [01:34:32] orpheu: can you try building the bootmenu of r923? [01:35:40] it's the revision just before TheSeven's improvements [01:40:59] i can [01:41:13] i was trying some days ago [01:42:03] got some errors because of missing files, but i found them today searching files on freemyipod [01:42:25] the bfs.h [01:42:27] file [01:42:46] elf2emcoreapp is a bit tricky to compile [01:43:05] and you definetely need it in order to build an emcore app from source [01:46:51] so the issue with your ipod is that you want a firmware which is able to use the full capacity of your storage, right? [01:49:58] the safest option is to use rockbox for listening, and rockbox fallback for file transfer [01:50:40] the somehow-less-safe option is using rockbox for listening, and r923 of diskmode for file transfer [01:52:00] in my oppinion, it should be the safest emcore diskmode version (not counting our development app umstest, which used the ipod's RAM for storage emulation) [02:34:54] *** [Franklin] is now known as __builtin [02:56:31] sorry i didnt understand what you mean by safest emcore diskmode [02:56:52] you want me to compile the r923 and use that one is that so? [02:57:07] that emcore diskmode is bug free? [03:05:35] that version is the one which i have personally tested the most [03:06:36] then TheSeven added caching and S.M.A.R.T., but unfortunately introduced data corruption in his write caching code [03:06:45] reads should be safe i think [03:07:17] http://websvn.freemyipod.org/log.php?repname=freemyipod&path=%2Fapps%2Fdiskmode%2F&isdir=1& [03:07:26] this is the changelog of diskmode [03:08:27] i couldn't find time to backport his improvements (except the write caching) for the last year and half [03:09:13] my goal is to have a stable version, which has all features that don't cause regression [03:33:19] *** Quits: __builtin (~me@unaffiliated/franklin) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [03:35:30] *** Joins: __builtin (~me@unaffiliated/franklin) [03:41:09] <[Saint]> user890104: honestly, why? [03:42:08] <[Saint]> I still maintain that the average user has absolutely no business in using emCORE, and absolutely should not be doing so. [03:42:25] [Saint]: because i'd have more luck fixing disk mode than fixing rb's driver [03:45:47] *** Quits: __builtin (~me@unaffiliated/franklin) (Remote host closed the connection) [03:48:01] *** Joins: __builtin (~me@unaffiliated/franklin) [06:38:09] *** Quits: TheSeven (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [06:39:45] *** Joins: TheSeven (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) [09:41:58] *** Quits: krnlyng (~liar@77.116.102.225.wireless.dyn.drei.com) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [09:54:33] *** Joins: krnlyng (~liar@77.116.13.147.wireless.dyn.drei.com) [13:13:49] sorry for late response [13:16:27] but seem that the dual boot option doesnt work on LBA48 locked devices, since its the OF that formats the device ot locks it to 127gb on 6g slim and 7g 120gb ones, only option left is emcore, but rb is really slow and disk mode is broken... [13:17:00] correction, it works but you cannot use more thamn 127gb on those devices [13:25:29] *** Quits: orpheu (0252b710@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.82.183.16) (Quit: Page closed) [13:27:20] *** Joins: orpheu (0252b710@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.82.183.16) [13:32:05] *** Quits: orpheu (0252b710@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.82.183.16) (Client Quit) [13:33:25] *** Joins: orpheu (0252b710@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.82.183.16) [14:15:17] *** Quits: orpheu (0252b710@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.82.183.16) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [16:31:19] *** Joins: orpheu (c2d2c2df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.210.194.223) [17:42:25] orpheu: you can format/repartition using the restore without itunes guide [17:42:30] then install the dualboot bootloader [17:42:46] then you'll have OF, but you won't be using it [17:43:01] and rockbox which will support your storage size [17:43:17] and you'll be using the more recent bootloader [17:43:31] which is the way to go, emcore is considered deprecated [17:44:29] i know but it still formats the ipod to 127gb, because it boots OF diskmode in the process and OF block this ipod model to 127gb [17:44:40] ah, i see [17:46:00] now, if you guys can "unblock" it it would be awesome to not only me but alot of people, but i guess its hardcoded on the OF and it is not a simple thing or usable thing to do [17:48:04] i managed to format it using the of diskmode ti 127gb, then boot rockbox and use the aomei to resize the partition to 256gb, it worked fine, but if at anytime i boot the OF diskmode ,it deletes my partition even before i connect it to a computer [17:48:36] wow, that's very rude of apple :) [17:50:02] now what would be to "overide" the the OF diskmode with a working one that is as fast as the emcore one and that doesnt corrupt the files, but i think that would be asking too much ^^ [17:50:13] would be awesome* [17:50:13] prof_wolfff: is it possible to make a version of your bootloader, that boots the fallback rockbox image instead of OF on the same conditions [17:50:39] orpheu: using plain emcore, there's a linux app emCOREFS, which mounts the disk using our debugging protocol [17:50:45] but it is very slow [17:51:00] it's only meant for debugging, not transferring 200G of data :) [17:51:07] * gevaerts thinks all of this is pretty surprising [17:51:28] I've never heard of the OF not liking larger disks, so why would it not like them in this particular case? [17:51:36] Specific partition layout? [17:51:57] apple bock some devides to 127gb max [17:52:22] if i had a 7.5g board there would be no problem [17:52:50] Maybe, but I've *never* heard that before [17:53:20] Could be me of course [17:54:47] https://discussions.apple.com/message/28239052#28239052 [17:54:50] there [17:55:56] if i use a 160gb disk on this ipod it will only be usable until 127gb, its not the sd fault or anything [17:55:59] hmm, ok [17:56:11] Still surprising, as the 5G handles 240GB drives just fine [17:56:33] they do not block those ones, only 6g, and 7g 120gb [17:57:09] But why would a newer system suddenly not do lba48 any more? [17:57:26] Oh well, the facts are what they are I guess [17:58:12] its apple, they didnt wanted people puting larger disk on the 80gb devices or something... [17:59:06] They allowed it before, and they allowed it later. Usually they're a bit more consistent than that. I suspect it's more likely to be just a bug [18:00:46] i read that genius might be a reason for them to have blocked those devices, but i dont know [18:01:12] its a fact that 6g and 6.5g its blocked to 127gb... [18:01:56] since this ipod is a gift, and i only have more 20 days until i will have to go with the emcore route :( [18:03:19] prof_wolfff: is it possible to make a version of your bootloader, that boots the fallback rockbox image instead of OF on the same conditions [18:05:01] if you do this i I would greatly appreciate it [18:14:41] orpheu: that's exactly what I asked him a couple of minutes ago :) [18:15:20] gevaerts: <6g are PortalPlayer, >=6G are Samsung S5L8702 [18:15:58] yeah. just expressing my opinion regarding that ^^ [18:16:10] user890104: I know that :) [18:16:11] maybe they were too lazy to implement LBA48 addressing, because it won't be used on these [18:16:30] Wasn't there a 160GB 6G? [18:16:46] no, it's the "third" generation [18:16:58] 7.5G [18:17:15] * gevaerts has doubts [18:17:26] IIRC 6G is 80 GB, 7G is 120 GB, 7.5G is 80 and 160 GB [18:17:46] * user890104 checks in the freemyipod wiki [18:18:24] By iPod classic 1g we mean the first iPod released by Apple that had the 'classic' name. It was available in sizes of 80GB and 160GB. [18:18:27] uhm... [18:18:29] there is a 6g 160gb ipod, but it uses a diferent disk connection and the block doesnt affect those ones [18:18:32] something like that [18:18:37] CE-ATA? [18:18:40] Yes [18:18:50] ah, remember these [18:18:56] But then it's not an LBA48 issue. That's at a different layer entirely [18:19:23] yeah, they need a completely different storage driver [18:19:40] i remember it being more likely to MMC than to a HDD [18:19:49] And I still don't like the "deliberate" theory due to it only lasting for a year [18:20:59] they didn't limit the capacity, they just didn't provide a driver which none of their devices on the market at that moment wouldn't use [18:22:19] AFAIK It's still the ATA command set, it's "just" the physical layer that's different [18:22:39] So I would expect the upper layer to be identical [18:24:16] "What Tarkan has tested and found to NOT work, and this is confirmed by my experience, is to try to use a 256GB or larger CF card or mSATA drive adapter in a "thick" 6G. (or a thin one, for that matter.) You'd think it would, since if you have enough bits to address a 160 GB HD, you have enough for 240GB. BUT! The firmware in the thick 6G seems to recognize hard drives vs. CF cards or mSATA adapters, and only enables 48-bit LB [18:24:44] its blocked on both versions i guess [20:34:37] user890104, orpheu: yesterday i was thinking about the single-bootloader, to implement it in a way that does not affect too much the current dual-bootloader [20:35:37] current plan is to create a new singleboot-installer.dfu that writes in NOR the current bootloader + the fallback image, and to modify the current bootloader to load the fallback image when there is no OF, in addition the singleboot-installer.dfu must include USB code to load the fallback image from USB (it is to large to include it in the .dfu file) [20:36:37] i suppose that the fallback needs a formated HDD, so problem is to format the HDD for the first time, not to do it but how/when do it, options are: singleboot-installer.dfu, bootloader, or a new .dfu tool [20:38:00] there was an option on emcore that formated the disk [20:39:42] you could do: format -> boot fallback image -> copy rockbox to disk [20:40:08] then it would boot the rockbox on disk instead of the fallback image [20:40:20] it is a solution, but a definitive one should not need emCORE [20:40:27] without emcore [20:41:16] is it really hard to write a function that formats the drive? [20:42:27] you need emcore or other tool that executes code into the iPod to format the HDD for the first time, i am refering to a blank HDD [20:42:37] the code for it is in the emcore source [20:42:57] not sure but probably writing the MBR and adding a partition should be enough for RB [20:43:19] i guess so [20:45:32] i will start with the singleboot-install, but need to add USB code (from emCORE probably), the singleboot-install is to write the bootloader and the fallback imagen in NOR (not HDD) [20:47:11] this means there will be an easy option to use single boot rockbox on ipod classic [20:47:33] using the new rockbox utility [20:47:35] :) [20:48:32] yes the idea is to launch RB by default or the fallback imagen (instead of Apple diskmode) when CENTER+PLAY is pressed at power-on [20:49:53] all of this using the current bootloader modified to do that when there is no OF present in the NOR (singleboot mode), if OF exists then it behaves as the current dual-bootloader [21:03:03] ATM i don't know how RB USB storage is implemented, but really should not need a formated HDD, if so it is a mater of launching the fallback image and format a new HDD using the operating system (it should appear as a USB disk) [21:03:54] sounds great! [21:04:10] yes, need to be verified [21:04:41] do you think that it will take alot of time to do so? [21:05:33] i am gifting this ipod day 28 this month, i wanted to give thebest option avaliable [21:06:07] but i mean, i am no one to ask for anything, i dont know that much C that i could give a hand i think [21:08:09] it should be an easy modification, at least to get a functional version, the only trouble could be the USB code in DFU mode, never tried it before... so don't know if it will be problematic [21:10:00] i think the singleboot-install is also needed for people who don't want OF, so it must be done anyway [21:10:54] i will tell you about progress [21:11:12] thank you very much [21:11:32] i have a second ipod, my personal one, i can test it on that one [21:26:03] *** Quits: orpheu (c2d2c2df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.210.194.223) (Quit: Page closed) [23:03:23] *** Joins: orpheu (0252b710@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.82.183.16)