--- Log opened Thu Aug 05 00:08:18 2010 00:08 -!- fmibot [~fmibot@static.225.178.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has joined #linux4nano-dev 00:10 -!- kyle6513_ [cb0a7956@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.10.121.86] has joined #linux4nano-dev 00:10 -!- n1s [~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s] has quit [Quit: Lämnar] 00:13 -!- kyle6513_ [cb0a7956@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.10.121.86] has quit [Client Quit] 00:44 < cmwslw> I can't create a branch in the svn for some reason. i think its because I need to be privileged or something 00:45 < cmwslw> Farthen, if you can, make a branch called 4g_compat that stems from revision 13 00:45 < Farthen> why? 00:45 < Farthen> and i'm wondering why you can't create branches 00:45 < Farthen> what is the error message? 00:46 < cmwslw> svn commit -m "Created branch for 4G development starting from r13." 00:46 < cmwslw> svn: Commit failed (details follow): 00:46 < cmwslw> svn: Server sent unexpected return value (403 Forbidden) in response to MKACTIVITY request for '/!svn/act/8e4b0ae7-b68b-414a-8c02-b43bedb1b8db' 00:47 < Farthen> wait a sec 00:48 < Farthen> are you using the https:// address? 00:48 < Farthen> you can only commit with https://svn.freemyipod.org 00:49 < Farthen> (or make other changes) 00:49 < cmwslw> oh i used the unencrypted one to checkout 00:49 < cmwslw> ill try again 00:49 < Farthen> hmm, change the url to the encrypted one and it should ask for your username/pass 00:51 < cmwslw> ok that worked now 00:51 < Farthen> ah, it worked ;) 00:52 < cmwslw> i'll merge in my changes 00:54 < Farthen> hmm, the build system only compiles trunk so we won't have any nano 4g automatic builds until this branch is merged again 00:57 < cmwslw> that should be fine. i think the purpose of automatic builds is for the non developers 00:57 < cmwslw> but for embios, i don't see any reason for a non-dev to need to run it 01:00 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linux4nano-dev 01:09 < Farthen> the purpose of automatic builds is also for testing whether a new commit fails to build or not 01:54 < cmwslw> if someone wants to do something they can merge the lcdconsole changes into 4g_compat 01:55 < cmwslw> r13 has a bug where it does not scroll, and apparently this was fixed in a later revision 02:08 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linux4nano-dev 02:13 -!- TheSeven [~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:13 -!- TheSeven [~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined #linux4nano-dev 02:13 -!- mode/#linux4nano-dev [+o TheSeven] by ChanServ 02:18 -!- Jiss [Jiss@ip-68.net-89-2-219.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 03:00 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linux4nano-dev 05:00 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linux4nano-dev 05:11 -!- cmwslw [~cmwslw@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 05:59 -!- angelwolf71885 [chatzilla@cpe-173-168-248-236.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #linux4nano-dev 06:02 -!- angelwolf71885 [chatzilla@cpe-173-168-248-236.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 08:19 -!- n1s [~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s] has joined #linux4nano-dev 08:57 < TheSeven> cmwslw (for the logs): the lcd console can be fixed by just using lcdconsole.c from r14 09:15 -!- perror [~fleury@aldebaran.labri.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:18 -!- perror [~fleury@aldebaran.labri.fr] has joined #linux4nano-dev 09:18 -!- mode/#linux4nano-dev [+o perror] by ChanServ 09:29 -!- Kebianizao [~kvirc@47.pool85-48-151.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #linux4nano-dev 10:30 -!- Kebianizao [~kvirc@47.pool85-48-151.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Quit: Estaba usando KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.1, revision: 4541, sources date: 20100627, built on: 2010-07-29 01:55:28 UTC 4541 http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:31 -!- detaos [~quassel@ip72-218-104-242.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:32 -!- Kebianizao [~kvirc@47.pool85-48-151.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #linux4nano-dev 10:55 -!- Kebianizao [~kvirc@47.pool85-48-151.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Quit: Estaba usando KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.2, revision: 4740, sources date: 20100627, built on: 2010-08-02 22:26:39 UTC 4740 http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:00 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linux4nano-dev 11:23 -!- n1s [~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s] has quit [*.net *.split] 11:25 -!- n1s [~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s] has joined #linux4nano-dev 11:28 -!- TheOneRing [~quassel@g228010083.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #linux4nano-dev 11:32 < TheSeven> http://pastie.org/1077190 11:32 < TheSeven> tell me if you spot bugs 11:32 -!- stooo [~sto@f052032076.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #linux4nano-dev 11:32 -!- stooo [~sto@f052032076.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Client Quit] 12:10 -!- kyle6513 [~kyle@CPE-58-174-130-14.mjcz1.woo.bigpond.net.au] has joined #linux4nano-dev 12:59 -!- chron__ [~chron__@d-66-212-197-70.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:02 < GaveUp> TheSeven: i spy a spider on my call ... bug enough? ;P 13:04 < TheSeven> i already squashed some 13:04 < TheSeven> however it still isn't working 13:07 -!- TheOneRing [~quassel@g228010083.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:18 < GaveUp> what kind of bugs are you looking for? 13:24 < TheSeven> i think i spotted what the problem is 13:24 < TheSeven> uh, python is acting up 13:24 < TheSeven> 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback 13:24 < TheSeven> Traceback (most recent call last): 13:24 < TheSeven> File "D:\daten\projekte\ipod\tools\embiosldr.py", line 27, in 13:24 < TheSeven> import libembiosldr 13:24 < TheSeven> File "D:\daten\projekte\ipod\tools\libembiosldr.py", line 29, in 13:24 < TheSeven> import usb 13:24 < TheSeven> ImportError: No module named usb 13:24 * TheSeven wonders how that can happen 13:25 < TheSeven> re-running the same command succeeded 13:25 -!- stooo [~sto@f052032076.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #linux4nano-dev 13:25 < TheSeven> it just failed that single time 13:27 < GaveUp> it's python ... and it's on windows ... 'nuff said? :P 13:28 -!- n1s [~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s] has quit [Quit: Lämnar] 13:30 < stooo> hi TheSeven 13:30 < TheSeven> hi stooo 13:31 < stooo> seems that serpi made progress 13:31 -!- stooo [~sto@f052032076.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:31 < TheSeven> yep 13:31 < TheSeven> hm, alicedsl acting up? :P 13:31 -!- stooo [~sto@f052032076.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #linux4nano-dev 13:31 < stooo> oops 13:32 < TheSeven> yes, he apparently succeeded in dumping and decrypting the 3g bootloader 13:32 < TheSeven> but the bad thing is that it's yet another efi hell 13:33 < stooo> and... very different ? 13:33 < TheSeven> it seems to use a different compression scheme 13:33 < TheSeven> at least our tiano decompressor failed on it 13:37 < stooo> they redo a new boot concept each time 13:37 < stooo> they really have too much ressources 13:38 < teuf> TheSeven: this nano 3g bootloader is the same on the classic right ? 13:38 < TheSeven> it doesn't seem to be too different 13:39 < TheSeven> the rom, yes, but I don't know if that also applies to the second stage 13:46 < kyle6513> GaveUp, agreed 14:06 < GaveUp> wait..what are you agreeing with? 14:07 < GaveUp> it's too early in the morning for me to have more than a 5 second memory 14:14 < kyle6513> GaveUp, haha windows failing at programing 14:15 < GaveUp> don't forget the language that took the most annoying damn "feature" of cobol and copied it 14:21 < kyle6513> GaveUp, haha (: 14:22 < GaveUp> 14:23 < GaveUp> any have recommendations for a good arm dev board to get and play around with? 14:23 < kyle6513> aruindo 14:23 < kyle6513> i hear those are great starter boards 14:23 < kyle6513> but i have no idea what arm it is 14:26 < kyle6513> sorry, arduino haha 14:27 < kyle6513> nevermind, its based on their own programming language 14:27 < kyle6513> maybe TheSeven can recommend something 14:27 * TheSeven is busy breaking the wiki 14:27 < kyle6513> ah 14:28 < TheSeven> kyle6513: arduino is using AVR processors, not ARM 14:28 < kyle6513> TheSeven, oh, i feel stupid now haha 14:28 < TheSeven> for ARM i would recommend either the mini2440 or the beagle board, depending on what you want to do with it 14:30 < TheSeven> if you want to play with lots of peripherals and don't need much performance, the mini2440 is probably the better choice, the beagle has a really nice and fast ARM core but not much else 14:30 < TheSeven> there's also a rockbox port for the mini2440 :) 14:31 * TheSeven once considered buying one 14:31 * kyle6513 is currently in the process of converting an old laptop into a desktop calendar, using python :D 14:46 -!- cmwslw [~cmwslw@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linux4nano-dev 14:46 -!- mode/#linux4nano-dev [+o cmwslw] by ChanServ 14:48 < kyle6513> hey cmwslw. 14:50 < cmwslw> hey 15:37 -!- cmwslw-nb [~cmwslw@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linux4nano-dev 15:37 -!- cmwslw [~cmwslw@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:39 < TheSeven> in case anyone wants to implement a better client than the current libibugger: http://l4n.clustur.com/index.php/EmBIOS_Monitor_Protocol 15:40 < GaveUp> argh! stupid isane shipping! $35 shipping for the mini2440?! blah! 15:41 < TheSeven> from china, probably 15:41 < GaveUp> just searching google shopping 15:41 < TheSeven> have a look if you find a retailer in your country, or go hunting for one on ebay 15:42 < GaveUp> doing that now 15:43 < GaveUp> hmm not really any cheaper on ebay 15:43 < GaveUp> blast 15:43 < TheSeven> you might want to ask on #rockbox-community if anybody has one he doesn't need anymore and would sell to you 15:44 < GaveUp> i'll keep that in mind next time I have spare cash 15:45 -!- kyle6513 [~kyle@CPE-58-174-130-14.mjcz1.woo.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:55 -!- cmwslw [~cmwslw@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linux4nano-dev 15:55 -!- mode/#linux4nano-dev [+o cmwslw] by ChanServ 16:06 -!- Keripo [~Keripo@hnw357.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu] has joined #linux4nano-dev 16:06 -!- Keripo [~Keripo@hnw357.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu] has left #linux4nano-dev 16:08 < cmwslw> GaveUp: that looks like a really fun board to play with. 16:08 < cmwslw> and theseven: i might write one but i've never done any usb programming 16:08 < cmwslw> maybe i'll learn how when i try to port usb over to the 4g_compat branch 16:09 < GaveUp> cmwslw: what board? 16:09 < TheSeven> look at libibugger, it's piece of cake :) 16:09 < cmwslw> the one you were just talking about 16:11 < GaveUp> oh yeah...most dev boards i've seen in that price range don't include an lcd let alone touch screen 16:11 < GaveUp> kudos to TheSeven for recommending it 16:12 < TheSeven> btw you can get the lcd + touchscreen alone for $30 or something 16:12 < cmwslw> i would get it, but i already buy so much electronic stuff. i'll just practice on the ipod 16:13 < GaveUp> "so much" != "too much" ;) 16:14 -!- cmwslw-nb [~cmwslw@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:23 < cmwslw> maybe too much. i've spent at least $1000 on electonics project stuff 16:24 < GaveUp> pfft 16:28 < cmwslw> but then again thats about the same people spend on computers in that amount of time 16:34 -!- benedikt93 [~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93] has joined #linux4nano-dev 16:47 < cmwslw> with the nano4g branch should i be merging in as many changes as possible from trunk? 16:57 < TheSeven> only if they help you in some way 16:58 < TheSeven> and maybe of some interfaces between core and target-specific code change 16:58 < TheSeven> if* 17:00 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linux4nano-dev 17:04 -!- perror [~fleury@aldebaran.labri.fr] has quit [Quit: Bye all !] 17:56 -!- Keripo [~Keripo@hnw357.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu] has joined #linux4nano-dev 17:56 -!- Keripo [~Keripo@hnw357.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu] has left #linux4nano-dev 18:23 -!- watto [~watto@193.203.81.165] has joined #linux4nano-dev 18:43 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50 -!- chron__ [~chron__@166.137.7.171] has joined #linux4nano-dev 18:55 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linux4nano-dev 18:56 -!- watto [~watto@193.203.81.165] has left #linux4nano-dev 18:59 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linux4nano-dev 19:02 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linux4nano-dev 19:21 < stooo> (16:23:04) GaveUp: any have recommendations for a good arm dev board to get and play around with? <<< Farthen, TheSeven: i was reading up on the logs. for sure don't use two domains to the same vhost, as this causes problems with search engines and linking 19:27 < cmwslw> what i recommend is using www as the primary one, and using a redirect rule that causes something like freemyipod.org/mypage to redirect to www.freemyipod.org/mypage 19:27 < TheSeven> i've seen lots of sites that do 19:28 < cmwslw> well they might, but apparently some search engines treat freemyipod.org and www.freemyipod.org as separate sites with separate pageranks 19:28 < TheSeven> not that i would care about that, but i'm fine with the suggested redirect solution 19:30 < cmwslw> yea that's fine. I set up my sites to do that redirect if farthen needs help 19:36 < TheSeven> hm, the embios monitor protocol specs are slowly maturing... 19:37 < cmwslw> so to implement this debugging, will you put debugging code into the driver functions themselves? 19:37 < cmwslw> like for i2crecv you could have a way to print out what was recieved? 19:37 < cmwslw> *received 19:39 < TheSeven> nope, but you can access some kernel functions (for example the i2c driver) via usb, you'll have a debugging console, and you'll be able to control/create/kill threads via usb and up/download memory 19:39 < TheSeven> so you can implement things like breakpoints or single stepping 19:40 < TheSeven> in the long term, one could try to implement a gdb stub :) 19:41 < cmwslw> and i don't understand how breakpoints and single stepping will work 19:41 < cmwslw> i guess the programs will be running in threads and the os can stop them at certain times? 19:41 < TheSeven> yes 19:42 < TheSeven> software breakpoints usually just work by replacing the instruction where it should stop with a syscall that triggers the breakpoint handler, which will then restore the instruction that was originally there and inform the debugger 19:43 < cmwslw> how do you run a thread without it taking control 19:44 < benedikt93> timer interrupts 19:57 * Farthen is back 19:57 < Farthen> did i miss something? 19:57 < cmwslw> not really 20:24 -!- angelwolf71885 [chatzilla@cpe-173-168-248-236.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #linux4nano-dev 20:28 -!- angelwolf71885 [chatzilla@cpe-173-168-248-236.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:56 < TheSeven> argh, who caused that edit conflict? 20:58 < TheSeven> "Write from I2C". aha. 21:00 < TheSeven> who the heck is wolftail? 21:04 < TheSeven> fixed a copy paste issue, half-fixed another one, broke layout consistency in two places and caused an edit conflict, regardless of mediawiki's warning. hmm. 21:32 -!- benedikt93 [~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93] has quit [Quit: Bye ;)] 22:09 -!- Keripo [~Keripo@hnw357.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu] has joined #linux4nano-dev 22:09 -!- Keripo [~Keripo@hnw357.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu] has left #linux4nano-dev 22:29 -!- cmwslw [~cmwslw@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:56 -!- cmwslw-nb [~cmwslw@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linux4nano-dev 23:00 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00 -!- clustur [~logger@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linux4nano-dev 23:01 -!- chron__ [~chron__@166.137.7.171] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01 -!- chron__ [~chron__@d-66-212-197-70.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #linux4nano-dev 23:19 -!- cmwslw-nb [~cmwslw@c-76-127-58-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:43 < TheSeven> r35: binsize: 10240 bytes (compressed) / 17560 bytes (uncompressed), ramsize: 77072 bytes (13140 of which are in IRAM) + additional 636 bytes during initialisation --- Log closed Fri Aug 06 00:24:39 2010