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00:24 * TheSeven wonders what to do next
00:24 < TheSeven> probably go to sleep... and take a look at the syscall interface tomorrow
00:25 < GaveUp> a woman? :P
00:25 < TheSeven> who wants to write libembios?
00:26 < TheSeven> basically wrap this into a python lib like libibugger: http://l4n.clustur.com/index.php/EmBIOS_Monitor_Protocol
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00:57 < Farthen> cmwslw-nb: the build script works now
00:58 < cmwslw-nb> ok cool, is there a web frontend yet?
00:58 < Farthen> nope
00:59 < Farthen> i didn't see slck today
01:00 < Farthen> i would suggest you to register for the mailing lists at http://lists.freemyipod.org
01:02 < Farthen> at some time i need to borrow the make log file analyzer script from rockbox.... but not now
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02:11 < slck> hi there, i've started writing the builds frontend today but it's not yet complete
02:13 < Farthen> ah, ok. that is not a problem, really. we are not in a hurry ;)
02:13 < slck> http://212.233.135.74:56834/builds/ if anyone wants to have a peek
02:14 < slck> it would be a good idea to "touch" a logfile in errors even if all builds are successful
02:14 < Farthen> ah, even with pictures ;)
02:14 < slck> so i can loop over all files there
02:15 < Farthen> it would be best to only display about ten revisions there
02:15 < Farthen> if it would display all this file would get huge
02:15 < slck> yes, of course there would be some limit
02:15 < slck> i've seen the rockbox dev page
02:16 < Farthen> yeah, something like that would be cool
02:17 < Farthen> interesting port for a webserver btw :-P
02:17 < cmwslw-nb> Farthen: so do the arm-elf-eabi tools that come from rockbox work with embios?
02:17 < Farthen> yes
02:17 < Farthen> i use them on the server to generate the builds
02:17 < cmwslw-nb> ok cool
02:17 < Farthen> just build with CROSS=arm-elf-eabi-
02:18 < cmwslw-nb> i'll just change the makefile on the svn in that case
02:18 < cmwslw-nb> if everyone is using the rockbox tools it seems
02:24 < Farthen> except theseven
02:25 < Farthen> but you can just do:
02:25 < Farthen> CROSS=arm-elf-eabi make
02:25 < Farthen> at least with my last commit ;)
02:26 < slck> i use "make CROSS=arm-elf-eabi-"
02:26 < slck> with dash at the end as i wrote it
02:26 < Farthen> for my last commit you have to change it
02:26 < Farthen> i changed it because it is silly to have the dash within the CROSS-variable
02:28 < slck> what about include dirs, it doesn't compile for me if i don't add -I/usr/include to CFLAGS in the makefile
02:28 < Farthen> hmm, works for me
02:28 < Farthen> do you use arm-eabi?
02:28 < Farthen> and which toolchain? the rockbox one?
02:29 < slck> rockbox
02:29 < slck> installed into my home folder
02:29 < Farthen> hmm, i don't need it for that one
02:30 < Farthen> ah, i think i once changed something in my toolchain
02:30 < Farthen> i had the same problem
02:30 < slck> and i get this when i run make clean:
02:30 < slck> build/ipodnano2g/./target/ipodnano2g/mmu.o.dep:10: *** missing separator.  Stop.
02:30 < slck> so i clean it by doing rm -rf build/
02:31 < Farthen> then your make is not working properly. you remember the sed script with the backslashes?
02:31 < slck> yes
02:31 < Farthen> try the latest commit, it *may* fix it for you
02:31 < slck> i did, it's the same
02:31 < cmwslw-nb> slck: i have that same problem with stdint
02:32 < cmwslw-nb> its weird i have it on my netbook and not my desktop
02:32 < slck> Farthen do you remember what did you change in the toolchain?
02:32 < Farthen> i once had it and i added -c99 to the cflags. but since some revisions i don't need that fix anymore
02:32 < Farthen> good question
02:33 < Farthen> i changed the spec file
02:34 < cmwslw-nb> is there a way to ad /usr/include only if making on linux?
02:34 < cmwslw-nb> *add
02:34 < slck> it would be a good idea to do so
02:36 < cmwslw-nb> ifeq ($(OS), LINUX)
02:36 < cmwslw-nb> I think this will work
02:36 < cmwslw-nb> let me see
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02:38 < Farthen> ifeq ($(OSTYPE), gnu-linux)
02:38 < Farthen> should be best
02:39 < Farthen> ifeq ($OSTYPE, gnu-linux)
02:39 < Farthen> CFLAGS += -I/usr/include
02:39 < Farthen> endif
02:39 < Farthen> should do the trick
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02:42 < slck> could you merge that change into the 4g branch after commiting to the trunk please
02:42 < cmwslw-nb> stackoverflow recommends $(UNAME)
02:42 < Farthen> ok
02:43 < Farthen> TheSeven uses uname too to check for windows
02:43 < cmwslw-nb> where does he use that?
02:44 < Farthen> in the makefile
02:44 < Farthen> ifeq ($(shell uname),WindowsNT) several times
02:45 < cmwslw-nb> oh I see
02:49 < cmwslw-nb> i think we should move the ucl compression library into this svn
02:50 < cmwslw-nb> should it be in the embios part or separate?
02:50 < Farthen> you are right
02:50 < Farthen> i think it should be seperate
02:51 < Farthen> maybe we can create a new "tools" repo
02:51 < cmwslw-nb> i was looking to see how rockbox has their stuff organized
02:53 < Farthen> they have one folder with everything
02:53 < cmwslw-nb> rockbox has ucl in a tools folder
02:53 < cmwslw-nb> i think it should be in a tools folder inside embios
02:54 < Farthen> but rockbox is different. we may develop another tool that needs
02:54 < Farthen> ucl
02:54 < cmwslw-nb> ok
02:55 < cmwslw-nb> the only advantage i see to having it inside embios is the fact that we can build it in the makefile
02:55 < Farthen> we could of course change the repo so that the trunk, branches etc are in the root and the embios folder comes afterwards
02:58 < cmwslw-nb> i think just making a separate tools repo might be fine
02:58 < Farthen> we could make it so it would be
02:58 < Farthen> +-branches
02:58 < Farthen> +-trunk
02:58 < Farthen>   +-embios
02:58 < Farthen>     +-targets
02:58 < Farthen> 	+-...
02:58 < Farthen>   +-tools
02:58 < Farthen>     +-ucl
02:59 < Farthen> the ... should actually be on the same level as targets
03:00 < Farthen> i agree with you that it should go into the repo somewhere
03:01 < cmwslw-nb> we could end up doing that, but i would check with theseven first
03:01 < cmwslw-nb> plus if we make those changes it will conflict with his working copy
03:02 < Farthen> sure, we do not do this now
03:02 < Farthen> but we can ask for his opinion about it ;)
03:03 < slck> could you check the preview link i provided to see if the build frontend is ok
03:03 < cmwslw-nb> so have you already made that linux specific change in your makefile?
03:05 < Farthen> slck: it is something that could be improved but the hard job of parsing the tree is done.
03:06 < Farthen> maybe we find some css guru that makes it more optically appealing ;)
03:08 < Farthen> ok, it is dawning. always the same with me xD
03:13 < Farthen> cmwslw-nb: thanks for the latest commit. now i can safely remove my specs file i created ;)
03:13 < cmwslw-nb> welcome. i have to more commits in mind that i hope to get done tonigt
03:13 < cmwslw-nb> *tonight
03:14 < cmwslw-nb> they're some changes from trunk i want to move over
03:16 < slck> http://212.233.135.74:56834/builds/?src=pretty - the source
03:16 < slck> http://212.233.135.74:56834/builds/?src=plain - ugly source :)
03:16 < Farthen> ok, thank you very much
03:17 < slck> could you put it in place to check if it's ok
03:17 < Farthen> yep, i'm doing so right now
03:18 < Farthen> i'm stealing the images from your server if you don't mind ;)
03:20 < slck> np, i stole them from google's image search :)
03:20 < Farthen> i know :-P
03:20 < Farthen> http://builds.freemyipod.org
03:20 < slck> you should add row to the build script
03:20 < slck> so if all build are fine, there should be an empty file in the errors folder
03:21 < slck> named as the revision number
03:21 < slck> echo > ${REV}
03:21 < slck> something like that
03:21 < Farthen> ok
03:23 < slck> http://pastie.org/private/fmhzmbsssikuvuw6q8amgw something like that
03:23 < slck> touch is a better idea, so if there's any data it won't be overwritten
03:24 < slck> or even before the "for"-loop
03:25 < Farthen> hmm, i it should now always create an error file
03:26 < slck> ok, great
03:26 < Farthen> sed -e '/hmm, i it/hmm, it/'
03:27 < slck> you missed the "s" command :)
03:28 < Farthen> sed -e 's/sed -e \'\/sed -e \'s\//'
03:28 < Farthen> have fun ;)
03:30 < slck> i'm going to sleep, good night all
03:30 < slck> (or maybe good morning)
03:31 < Farthen> yeah, i'm going to sleep now, too
03:31 < Farthen> and i definitely wanted to go to bed early today. didn't work
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05:18 < cmwslw-nb> none of the themes except for bluegrey on the websvn display underscores
05:19 < cmwslw-nb> but it's probably just my font
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08:56 * TheSeven would suggest adding a new tools folder in the svn root for cross-project tools that rarely change. we won't need to branch that anyway
08:57 < TheSeven> embios/trunk/tools would be used for embios specific scripts and the like, maybe also the monitor client (i'd put that into embios/trunk/tools/client)
08:58 < TheSeven> moving "trunk" to the svn top doesn't sound like a good idea, as individual projects will probably want to have their own set of branches. always branching the whole svn for that will probably lead to confusion
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09:59 * TheSeven wonders what to do next... fat32 support?
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16:39 < Farthen> cmwslw-nb: can you create a new wiki database dump?
16:40 < cmwslw-nb> yep
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16:42 < cmwslw-nb> you'll import the db dump using mysqlimport
16:43 < cmwslw-nb> and the new one's in l4n.clustur.com/data
16:43 < cmwslw-nb> as wiki.tar.gz
16:43 < Farthen> thanks
16:49 < cmwslw-nb> todo for today: subscribe to lists, investigate why cprintf was printing slowly, work on porting over usb to the 4g
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17:00 < Farthen> cmwslw-nb: are you sure that i have to use mysqlimport? this is a sql file you gave me, don't you do use the mysql command line utility for that?
17:01 < cmwslw-nb> it was created with mysqldump
17:02 < cmwslw-nb> the problem is this doesnt create the database for you
17:02 < cmwslw-nb> and mysqlimport takes an option for which database to import in
17:02 < Farthen> can i change the database from l4n to something else?
17:02 < Farthen> ah, ok
17:03 < cmwslw-nb> so first make your own empty wiki database and give it the right permissions
17:03 < cmwslw-nb> have you downloaded it yet?
17:03 < Farthen> yes
17:04 < cmwslw-nb> ok ill take it off
17:30 < slck> hey there, where did the freemyipod wiki go?
17:31 < cmwslw-nb> being moved over from l4n.clustur.com
17:31 < slck> oh, ok
17:31 < slck> just curious :)
17:31 < TheSeven> cmwslw-nb: how slow is it printing? it's probably your lcd patch that caused that :)
17:32 < cmwslw-nb> theSeven: it looks like it is calling lcdupdate on every character
17:32 < TheSeven> exactly
17:33 < TheSeven> this doesn't hurt on the 2g as the updates are running in the background via DMA, but the 4g driver can't do this yet
17:33 < slck> is it possible to wrap up the embios binary in a note and launch it like the ibugger loader?
17:33 < TheSeven> nope, too big
17:33 < TheSeven> notes only work up to 3.8K
17:33 < TheSeven> embios is ~20K right now
17:35 < slck> is it possible to run it from iloader then (on nano2g)
17:36 < TheSeven> this doesn't make much sense as it's meant to replace iloader :)
17:36 < slck> but the part in norloader will remain, right? and it will boot straight to embios
17:37 < slck> or i'm missing something
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17:37 < TheSeven> on the 2g it will be run by embios loader (which replaces norloader), on the 4g it might even boot directly
17:38 < slck> is there some information about the boot proccess on 4g, because i saw a nice graphic on how iloader installs and works, but it seems that it's only about how it is on 4g
17:38 < slck> * it is on 2g
17:38 < TheSeven> we don't even know how to access that darn flash on the 4g yet
17:41 < slck> is it possible to extract the contents of the whole flash using a method similar to what you used to dump 2g's (connecting it to a board and dumping to a computer) ?
17:41 < slck> and would it help somehow
17:42 < cmwslw-nb> i haven't even found a utility flash chip on the 4g
17:45 < slck> so everything is in the main flash?
17:46 < TheSeven> probably
17:46 < TheSeven> duming that one should be possible though
17:46 < TheSeven> but the software approach might be easier
17:47 < cmwslw-nb> if it is on the main flash, would it be logically separate?
17:47 < slck> so it's somehow hidden from the partition layout? unlike the 2g
17:47 < cmwslw-nb> thats sorta my question too
17:48 < TheSeven> probably yes
17:48 < cmwslw-nb> but i guess thats how it is since it won't show up if we dd the flash in disk mode
17:51 < slck> looks like apple has done a good job preventing it from being dumped by software means
17:52 < slck> but it should be possible if you manage to access it with custom code
17:53 < TheSeven> well, placing an image of it on their webserver isn't really what i consider a good job preventing it from being dumped
17:56 < slck> i guess they thought that encrypting the image is enough
17:56 < TheSeven> not if we have access to the crypto unit
17:57 < TheSeven> and their dfu images aren't even encrypted any more
17:57 < slck> yes, they've missed this part
17:57 < TheSeven> they thought digitally signing them would be sufficient, but it clearly isn't if the signature checking code has a bug :P
18:02 < slck> Farthen: could you change this line: ksort($targets[$project]); to sort($targets[$project]);
18:02 < slck> on builds.freemyipod.org
18:02 < slck> it's sorting the array's keys, which are sorted actually, but the values aren't
18:04 < Farthen> ok, i'll do so in a minute
18:05 < slck> do you need help in merging the trunk changes into the 4g branch?
18:43 < TheSeven> most of them won't be mergable before there's usb support and multitasking
18:45 < cmwslw-nb> slck: ive merged all the things we can now
18:45 < cmwslw-nb> but i also put in some console changes that shouldn't need to be there
18:50 < Farthen> cmwslw-nb: do you think it would be good to make your wiki redirect to freemyipod.org?
18:53 < cmwslw-nb> yea but i was going to wait till yours was set up
18:53 < Farthen> which is now
18:56 * TheSeven wonders what to do next
18:57 < cmwslw-nb> find out how to work the 4g timer :)
19:03 < Farthen> shall we delete the willing testers list?
19:03 < Farthen> it serves no useful purpose i think
19:04 < cmwslw-nb> yea, if we ever desperately need it again we can always restore it
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