--- Log opened Sat Jul 03 00:00:05 2010
00:00 < rhcp1253> yea, itunes just installed, ima restore right now. I hope it'll work. I have it installed in MicroXP bc regular xp was 2 ram intensive for a vm
00:01 < rhcp1253> i hate macs. I'm getting a thinkpad
00:03 < rhcp1253> what os do u work in?
00:03 < TheSeven> windows
00:03 < TheSeven> and ssh'ed into a linux box for rockbox development
00:03 < rhcp1253> i see
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00:04 < rhcp1253> i always perfer linux, but i wish it was fully supported on more of my computers
00:04 < rhcp1253> wait, restore finished
00:07 < rhcp1253> ok, copied uninstaller files 2 ipod, hope for the best?
00:07 < rhcp1253> :)
00:07 < TheSeven> it really should work now
00:07 < rhcp1253> ok, it worked
00:07 < rhcp1253> should i restore?
00:08 < rhcp1253> again
00:08 < TheSeven> no, it didn't change anything on the firmware partition since the restore
00:08 < TheSeven> just delete the iloader folder if you want to
00:08 < TheSeven> iloader itself should be gone now
00:08 < rhcp1253> ok, good. Do u know if the rockbox bootloader is stable yet?
00:09 < rhcp1253> when i used it it was buggy
00:09 < TheSeven> hmm, the bootloader itself is fairly stable, but it can't recover from crashes by design
00:10 < TheSeven> so if your ipod crashes, there's a non-neglegible probability that it will be completely wiped
00:10 < rhcp1253> so, should i go with iloader or rockbox loader? All i want is dual boot with rockbox and apple os
00:11 < TheSeven> that's a matter of taste
00:11 < TheSeven> do you use itunes to transfer music?
00:11 < rhcp1253> yea, usually
00:11 < TheSeven> if yes, there are 2 options: use the rockbox bootloader, or install iloader and then restore using itunes
00:12 < TheSeven> as I said, iloader, in contrast to the rockbox bootloader, can recover properly after a rockbox crash
00:12 < TheSeven> it'll also boot much faster
00:13 < rhcp1253> don't both keep diskmode though?
00:13 < TheSeven> that depends on your point of view
00:13 < TheSeven> within iloader, diskmode is just another boot image, like the apple firmware or rockbox
00:13 < TheSeven> so it depends on iloader to work
00:14 < rhcp1253> so what about an iloader crash?
00:14 < TheSeven> in that case, you'd have to resort to ibugger to fix it
00:15 < TheSeven> however, as long as you don't develop your own theme or screw some other things in a weird way, it really shouldn't fail
00:16 < rhcp1253> ok, sounds reasonable. I read on the site that u can semi-brick your ipod to the point where it has to be opened up to fix it
00:16 < rhcp1253> whats the logic behind that? how do u know that?
00:16 < TheSeven> that's if the norloader/iloader tandem fails
00:16 < TheSeven> norloader/ibugger*
00:16 < TheSeven> as long as you can enter ibugger, you can fix it without opening it up
00:16 < rhcp1253> what would one have to do in that situation?
00:16 < rhcp1253> when ibugger fails
00:17 < TheSeven> soldering wires to some pads on the PCB
00:17 < rhcp1253> has that happened yet?
00:17 < rhcp1253> to anyone
00:17 < TheSeven> only on a single device during early development
00:17 < TheSeven> (to a developer)
00:18 < rhcp1253> i'm guessing the ipod's in a better place now
00:19 < TheSeven> the software side of things can always be fixed
00:20 < TheSeven> there is an even lower-level recovery mode we can resort to, but triggering that requires connecting those damn pads
00:20 < TheSeven> since the 3g, it's available "from the outside"
00:20 < rhcp1253> i'm guessing it wasn't a fun experiance
00:20 < TheSeven> yep
00:21 < TheSeven> but as I said, that only happened once during development of norloader
00:21 < rhcp1253> how's the work going on the newer ipods?
00:21 < rhcp1253> any progress?
00:22 < TheSeven> someone picked up working on the 3G some time ago, don't know how far he has come along by now
00:22 < TheSeven> I'm still pretty much stuck on the 4G
00:22 < TheSeven> for the 5G, there isn't even an exploit yet
00:22 < TheSeven> and the classics are mostly nano 3gs with a different kind of storage device :-)
00:23 < TheSeven> so once the nano 3g work is done, making the classic work should be easy
00:23 < rhcp1253> how about ipodlinux?
00:23 < rhcp1253> any support in the future?
00:23 < TheSeven> if anybody cares about it, he may port it :-)
00:24 < rhcp1253> rockbox surpasses its teacher
00:24 < TheSeven> for a very simple reason:
00:25 < TheSeven> ipodlinux is a developer playground. it's of course a nice experiment, but it isn't really suited for everyday use as a media player.
00:26 < rhcp1253> sadly, as are most linux distributions
00:27 < TheSeven> but that has different reasons
00:27 < rhcp1253> like what?
00:28 < TheSeven> while most linux distributions are suffering from lacking hardware support or maybe bad design, ipodlinux suffers from the fact that it isn't aiming at the main use of the device. they want to have a full-blown linux system on it. but do you really want to type commands using a clickwheel?
00:30 < rhcp1253> yea, i had ipl on my old video 5g. It was a bitch 2 get on, and when i had it working, it was just impossible 2 use. Plus it hasn't been updated since like 06'
00:33 * TheSeven must admit he hasn't even seen ipodlinux in action yet
00:33 < TheSeven> i only got a 2g and 4g nano, and my brother has a 3g. none of those is supported, for well-knwon reasons :-)
00:34 < rhcp1253> wow, they actually had 2 put this up
00:34 < rhcp1253> http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcTalk
00:36 * TheSeven doesn't like the last three ones
00:37 < TheSeven> the other ones are used at least somewhat commonly
00:38 < rhcp1253> i hate when ppl just type like they talk. Like slurring words and miss-pronouncing things. It takes extra effort just 2 sound like an idi0t ppl
00:40 < rhcp1253> hang on, g2g
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01:19 < rhcp1253> ok, new problem. This time its rockbox
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